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Some thoughts on comics on the web, licensing, and business models.

A few years ago I went to a panel discussion on webcomics. I asked Jeffrey Rowland what he thought about the ability for his work to be easily replicated a shared because of its digital format, and whether he thought that this helped to expand his audience. He answered by telling a story about someone who had once used his art without attribution, and how a simple cease and desist letter had set the offender straight. This didn't even remotely answer my question. I was thinking of the Creative Commons license, and encouraging people to share your comics and even respond to them in creative ways by making their own work (and not just commenting or clicking the "Like" button on Facebook.) But Rowland immediately thought about protecting his intellectual property, since it is how he makes his living. This makes perfect sense, but I think it points to the prevailing attitude about the nature of comics on the web and copyright held by independent cartoonists who are trying to make a living from their art. It's an attitude that I am increasingly questioning.

Sucked in

Sunday my pal Alec Longstreth posted a short article about his "business model" for his mini comics, and I think this is pretty close to what a lot of print cartoonists who self-publish are doing (although most of us are not as organized as Alec, so we don't formulate it as clearly). I'm quoting him now:

  1. Initially, I print stories as minicomics, in individual issues of Phase 7. My print runs at this point are 500 copies, which usually takes 1-2 years to sell out (and/or give away). I'm considering bumping this up to 750 for the next issue of Phase 7.
  2. When the first printing sells out, I reprint individual issues as needed, until there is enough material to compile a new Lulu.com collection.
  3. Once there is a Lulu.com collection of Phase 7 material, the mini-comics go "out of print." (though I usually still have a few floating around, and I can print more if people want to fill a hole in their collection)
  4. After a Lulu.com collection has been "new" at every convention (SPX, MoCCA, Stumptown, Heroes Con, etc.) then I place the entire comic online, for anyone to read for free.
Convention table

Alec hits the convention circuit pretty hard during the year, and so he gives new readers a lot more opportunities than I do to pick up his print mini-comics. But this model is based on a certain amount of control over any new content, and most of that has to do with revenue: Alec needs to sell these mini comics to cover the costs he incurs in doing the convention (table rent, travel expenses, hotel, food, etc.) and so he wants to make sure that the most salable items--namely his newest work--are only available through him, at a price.

But this at least partly assumes that people don't see a difference between a comic printed in a book and a comic printed on the web, that our readers only want "access" to the work we create.1 "If we let them read the work for free, then they won't pay us for it." But anyone will tell you that there are a lot of differences between reading a comic in a book and reading one on the web. Alec agrees with his. In his article he says,

But online, you have to click through each page, and the .JPG files aren't the highest resolution, and you have to sit at your computer, etc. It's still nicer to hold a book.

Of course, there are always people who will only read comics for free online, just like there are people who will only read comics in print form. But even though these two groups are often the loudest in any discussion, they are a tiny minority. Most people are interested in reading good stories, and are willing to pay to read them if they are sufficiently motivated.

Rich!

Part of the reason that I stopped posting my comics online was because I felt that the medium doesn't work well for long stories (I still don't). Since I was no longer working on a daily strip, I didn't see the point of putting my pages up because I thought it would take away from the experience of reading the story straight through. My decision had nothing to do with money, but it had everything to do with control. I wanted to control the way my work was presented to my readers, and that meant that I didn't want digital copies floating around that could be presented in ways I hadn't intended.

This turned out to be a big mistake.

Here is what that I have learned, even though I had already heard it repeated a thousand times since Tim O'Reilly first wrote it: the problem for any creative type isn't piracy, it is obscurity. When I stopped posting comics online, my mini comic sales dropped about 60%. Let me repeat that: When I stopped giving away my comics for free online, 60% of the people who had previously given me money to read those same comics on paper stopped giving me money to read them on paper.

By allowing people to freely read and distribute my art, I grew my sales. My work became my best advertisement.

When Cory Doctorow published his first novel, Down and Out in the Magic Kingdom, he simultaneously published it with Tor Publishing while releasing it for free on the web, under a Creative Commons license. I read it that first week on my Apple Newton, for free, and later passed along that copy to several friends. Over half of the people I distributed it to bought a hard copy of the book because we enjoyed it so much. If I hadn't read it first, for free, would I have taken a chance and spent $20 on a science fiction book about Disney Land by a new author? Not a chance. (Cory has since done this with all of his novels.)

Doctorow wanted his work to spread far and wide, to harness the internet to do the job marketing the book that the publisher used to do, and that all of us self-publishers are forced to do. He writes of the Creative Commons license,

CC turns my books from nouns into verbs. My books *do stuff*, get passed around and recut and remade to suit the needs of each reader, turned to their hand the way that humans always have adapted their tools and stories to fit their circumstances. As Tim O’Reilly says, my problem is not piracy, it’s obscurity, and CC licenses turn my books into dandelion seeds, able to blow in the wind and find every crack in every sidewalk, sprouting up in unexpected places. Each seed is a possibility, an opportunity for someone out there to buy a physical copy of the book, to commission work from me, to bring me in for a speech.

I don't want to tell cartoonists and artists that they should give up all of their rights to their work. That's not at all what I am saying. Creative Commons allows you to make clear, informed decisions about how you want your work to be used. You can still tell people that they can't print your comic up and sell it and keep the money. That they can't put their name on your work and say they drew it. Those things are wrong, and the people who use these arguments against things Creative Commons are just looking for straw men. And Doctorow clarifies this even more. He writes,

CC lets me be financially successful, but it also lets me attain artistic and ethical success. Ethical in the sense that CC licenses give my readers a legal framework to do what readers have always done in meatspace: pass the works they love back and forth, telling each other stories the way humans do. Artistic because we live in the era of copying, the era when restricting copying is a fool’s errand, and by CC gives me an artistic framework to embrace copying rather than damning it.

I'm starting to think of spreading out digital versions of my comics as akin to the time a new reader spends flipping through your books at a convention. I've had plenty of people read entire issues of my comic while standing at the table, and more often than not, they buy the issue. If they are only after the content, then why did they buy a copy? They had already read it, they had "consumed" the content, and so they must have been after something else. And that something is found in a print comics, and comes about in a transaction between creator and reader.

My point is: what if we, as cartoonists, started thinking differently about the digital versions of our work? What if we encouraged people to share our strips, to spread our drawings, to email our comics, to respond to them, to post them on their own websites? I know that some of this is already in place. Joey Manley's "Tooncasting" feature through Modern Tales and Webcomics Nation (and distributed for free for others to use and modify) is a good example of letting people put your comic on their website, and the wonderful webcomic xkcd uses a Creative Commons License and encourages people to link to and share and use his drawings (noncommercially, of course).2 Digital media is unique in that it is easily replicated and distributed. Isn't it time we stopped trying to control it like it was print media?

Thoughts?

Footnotes

  1. Now, I consider myself a print cartoonist, even though for the first few years of my comics career I ran new strips on the web every day, long before they ever saw print. In my mind, a comic on the web is not necessarily the same thing as a webcomic, just as a webcomic that has been collected in print is not necessarily the same thing as a comic that was meant for print the whole time.
  2. I've released every comic I've ever drawn under Creative Commons. It certainly hasn't hurt.



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[info]danielbarlow
2009-04-28 04:49 pm UTC (link)
Fascinating! Thanks for writing this, Matt.

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[info]boxbrown
2009-04-28 04:54 pm UTC (link)
My business model:

1) Make comics
2) Spend money on printing stuff
3) Never keep track of whether you are in the red or black.
4) Assume you're profitable.

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[info]delahk
2009-04-28 05:02 pm UTC (link)
Reading this makes me wish I had a comic so I could try out some of the stuff you're discussing.

Yeah, I'm pretty much on the same page as you.

Nicely written post. As always. ^_^

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[info]jabberworks
2009-04-28 05:04 pm UTC (link)
Hey, thanks, that's interesting. When I started doing morning sketches, people told me to protect characters that I made up in my sketchbook and not to post them. So I ended up doing way more autobiographical stuff than I might have done otherwise, because it only gave one character to rip off. But then I found I wasn't doing as much character development in my sketchbooks, so I'm not sure that was a good idea. James Harvey does a lot of characters and moves fast with them, so no one beats him to the mark.

On the other hand, I sometimes think, well, if someone rips me off, I can just draw new characters, it's not like there's a shortage or anything. But then I get really frustrated when I see what happens to people like Jess Fink, when they come up with a t-shirt design and it gets immediately copied. It seems to happen most with single-panel joke images, not longer stories.

Hey, are you still doing a comics subscription? I think mine ran out, but I know you're not doing the monthly HMM any more.

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[info]reidsrow
2009-04-28 05:43 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, I am interested in what Jess has to say about it. Although it wasn't like they stole her actual images from her sketchbook or blog or something: they were already commercially successful images on t-shirts that they just redrew to look basically the same. They could easily have stolen the idea off the shirts themselves instead of off the web. The web just worked into the mix to both make Jess's original design popular and to bring the thieves to her attention.

I hope I clarified enough that I fully support all creators rights to their work. Creative Commons is a way to let your readers and other know exactly what they can and cannot do with your work. It doesn't matter what kind of licensing you have if those crummy t-shirt design thieves get to you.

And your subscription is still valid! I am redrawing issue 26 because I wasn't happy with it the first time around. I'll send it your way as soon as it is done (late May, probably).

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[info]jabberworks
2009-04-29 07:06 am UTC (link)
No worries! Just give me a nudge when it does run out... I don't want to miss anything! ;-)

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[info]jabberworks
2009-04-29 06:01 pm UTC (link)
Just to add, the InBound comic arrived today, thanks! I always love your hand-drawn ads.

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Yay! Free!!!
[info]drockdamian
2009-04-28 05:41 pm UTC (link)
Great, Great post. If i wasn't 1,400 in debt, I would buy some comics from you just based on this posting.

In case you have not checked it out, a year ago WIRED magazine ran an article called: "Free! Why $0.00 is The Future of Business." By Wired Editor in Chief Chris Anderson. You can read the article online (for free of course) here: http://www.wired.com/techbiz/it/magazine/16-03/ff_free In July he'll be publishing a book based on this article (but somehow i doubt it will be free, but regardless I plan on buying it anyways!)

I'm the "Events Manager" for a Punk Rock Dive bar in Colorado Springs called The Triple Nickel Tavern (http://www.myspace.com/555nickel) and for the last 6 months we have had a moderate success with our FREE SHOW program. We have bands come in and play with no cover charge. They get paid a percentage based on the Bar's Sales and any merch the sell, as well as a ton of FREE Booze.

Its worked out for the most part, but one of the set backs I have run into is that some of the people here in town have Question the worth of these bands, since the show is FREE. Laymen terms being that they think these bands must be awful if we're not charging a cover at the door.

So in response to this small setback, we're going to do a new experiment. We're going to make CD-R compilations with a track or two from each musician coming through our bar. We're going to make about 100 of them (maybe more...) and pass them out to the people who are not actively reading our blogs/bulletins and what not on the internet and try to put the music in the people's EARS.

I've also found that Myspace is becoming a less and less and less effective way to market the music and the shows we are throwing at our bar. For every posting I make about a show, there are a million other bands doing the exact same thing and its getting lost in a sea of Music Postings that users are no longer paying any kind of attention to.

We'll see how it works and I'll try to document this process on my blog as well..

Also My good friend, Virgil Dickerson, owner of Suburban Home Records has been giving away full albums now for a few years. He'll post a link and let 100 or so people download his label's newest record! He wrote a great article about it here: http://www.hypebot.com/hypebot/2009/04/new-column-virgirl-dickersons-you-can-always-go-back-to-school-.html

He runs a great label and with his new business models is having his best years ever in the almost 15 years he's been doing this. So much for death of the music industry, eh? Him and his label are more or less changing things back to the way they should be, LESS INDUSTRY and more COMMUNITY.

So once again, Great, Great posting. I'll share it as well and spread the word!

I look forward to seeing the daily comics again. I rarely reply to postings, but i love your stuff.

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Re: Yay! Free!!!
[info]reidsrow
2009-04-28 05:50 pm UTC (link)
Thanks for those links! I love this, because it's about sharing your work while still being really innovative about how you can get compensated for it. I think sometimes industries find one model that works and everyone clamors for it and copies it and then when the world changes, they hold onto the old way of doing things for dear life (I'm looking at you, RIAA). I'm glad to see people in other creative fields stretching out and experimenting.

One other point you bring up that is really important is that sometimes just being free isn't enough to get people to read or listen! You need to still pound the pavement and market, but most importantly, you need to be good. No one wants to see a lousy band or read a lousy comic just because it's free. You still need to make great art; I just think it's time to reinvent the way that artists distribute and are compensated for their work.

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[info]lizbaillie
2009-04-28 08:09 pm UTC (link)
I used to put everything I was working on online, but it never did me any good that I was aware of. People never came up to me saying "I read all of this online, may I buy it now?" Instead I got people coming up to me, picking up a comic and exclaiming "Is this what you were putting online?" and when I'd say "yes" they'd say "Oh I already read it" and put it down and walk away. This was roughly issus 5-7 of MBH I think, that I tried doing that. When the De-Act-i-Vate community on LJ (where I was posting the issues, as well as my own LJ) was deleted, I stopped posting comics online in their entirety and I haven't seen any significant difference in sales as a result. Now I just put up a few pages' worth of previews online whenever a new comic comes out.

I really wish putting comics on the web for free would work for me, though. Maybe I was doing something wrong? it's possible I didn't pursue it aggressively enough, I don't know.

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[info]reidsrow
2009-04-28 08:51 pm UTC (link)
Liz, I wonder if it has something to do with format? Since my earlier comics were all daily strips instead of pages in a longer story, perhaps the attitude people had about picking up the print versions was different. After all, there were things in the print copies that weren't on the web, like letters, bonus strips, extra stories, etc.

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[info]lizbaillie
2009-04-28 09:04 pm UTC (link)
See I would think people would be less into reading long stories online and buying them instead, but I guess not? People are weird, I don't know. I find it difficult to read anything more than 10 pages long online but I'm old.

It's true, though - with daily strips there's more of a regular give-and-take rather than one long plot that, once you've read it, you've read it, whereas in daily strips you can kind of flip back and forth between different ones and they'll have more of a lasting value after you read them once. Then again, I am the type of person that watches the same movies over and over, reads the same books over and over, listens to the same music over and over, so maybe not everyone's like that? I don't have a clue.

I guess I need to get into the daily strips business! Too bad I can't write anything under five pages to save my life!

I'm not really complaining though... Things are great as they are, but it's just that sometimes I feel like I'm trying as hard as I can to expand my readership without losing money and everyone else is running around being like "the internet is MAGIC!" and I just feel like a sucker who is somehow missing out.

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[info]reidsrow
2009-04-29 01:45 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, I think there has to be more to it. I re-read the same book (especially comics) over and over, whether they are strips or longer stories. Maybe it's the audience? Do you feel like your readers are all a bunch of computer-savvy hackers who are afraid of paper?

But to talk a bit about how the internet HAS helped you, I knew about your comics from the podcast Indie Spinner Rack. When we met a few years ago at MoCCA, I was as much intrigued by your comics as I was by your extremely energetic personality. And i doubt whether just your comics or just a posting in a forum or blog would have conveyed that. But the audio of the podcast made me really excited about reading your stuff. I remember I was inking a page while listening to your interview and I thought, "Wow! Liz Baillie is really fired up about comics!" You're like a short, lady Alec Longstreth. Without the beard.

That said, I think you are already poised in some way to take advantage of the difference between work on the web and print. Your collection has lots of stuff you don't get on the web, including paper dolls (!!!!) and great pinups by AMAZING cartoonists like me. Your minis come in two versions: a trade-only version with a xeroxed cover and a silkscreened cover if you pony up the cash. That's like the paper equivalent of the web/print dichotomy. Pay me a few bucks and you'll get something that you don't get with the free version.

Somehow I don't think I addressed any of you points, but I tried!

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[info]lizbaillie
2009-04-29 03:33 pm UTC (link)
hahaha yeah I often remark on the similarities between myself and Alec. Did you know we are also about a week apart from being the *exact* same age? Sometimes I think maybe he is my fraternal twin brother from another mother. If only each of us didn't look so much like our parents, I might believe it, haha.

But yeah, I definitely try to have a web *presence* even if I don't do web *comics*. And that definitely helps. I think at this point in history you are a bit of an idiot if you are a cartoonist and DON'T have some kind of web presence. Unless you are already super famous or something. If you are a Hernandez brother you probably don't need to have a blog.

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[info]alierarobot
2009-04-29 01:38 am UTC (link)
Does this mean you might put out a collection on lulu.com? I liked the mini-comics, they were neat and very affordable- but I'd rather pay more and get an actual book.

(just my two cents)

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[info]reidsrow
2009-04-29 02:08 am UTC (link)
Funny you should ask. I spent this afternoon going through the proof copy of the first volume, making the necessary changes. Both volumes (each around 450 pages, with a slipcase) will be available at MoCCA June 6th.

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[info]losttoy
2009-05-01 03:37 am UTC (link)
yea .. about time!

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[info]alierarobot
2009-05-01 05:18 am UTC (link)
That sounds great!

Will it be on sale online too, I hope?

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[info]reidsrow
2009-05-01 02:37 pm UTC (link)
Of course. I'll announce details shortly, so stay tuned!

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[info]tedprior
2009-04-29 04:18 am UTC (link)
Very well said, Matt, and I can back up your claim almost every thing I have drawn in the last couple of years is free online (same with Jessica) and it has only ever helped our sales.

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[info]reidsrow
2009-04-29 01:37 pm UTC (link)
Thanks, Robert. You know, I see both your and Jessica's work all over the place, rather than just on LJ or on your individual websites. It's on Top Shelf, it's on WCN, it's on LJ--basically you guys are already taking advantage of the idea of easy replicability to spread it out for your readers.

A few years ago I started reigning in all of my copies so that I was serving a single image to LJ and my website. I stopped posting my comics on Flickr, on ComicSpace, on WCN--because I wanted to more easily keep track of my "traffic," and I could only do that if I controlled where the main image was stored.

I should have just shot myself in the drawing hand for all it did for my readership.

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[info]losttoy
2009-05-01 04:05 am UTC (link)
At the risk of upsetting you ...

Your sales did not drop 60% ... they dropped 100%. People will stop giving you money when you stop making comics. In the whole time you have stopped doing journal comic in August last year, you have printed a total of one issue of your mini-comic. If your art and stories were not incredibly awesome and worth the wait, I would be a rather pissed off subscriber. On the other hand you have contributions to anthologies like Fluffboy and InBound, you have been doing a lot of freelance, lecturing/community outreach stuff, and your Cartoonify Me website (not to mention moving). You need to be careful with that obscurity issue. I like that you have started regular schedule on your blog again, which should help get readers buying the next issue when you finally finish redrawing issue #26. By disappearing like you did on both web and print you risked disappointing your audience. When I had a subscription to Sarah Morean's mini-comics, she made sure that something was in the mail each month, even if it was original art, stickers or old comics. While your art has indeed improved, you lost the discipline of a regular schedule. Maybe you should be satisfied with your art and just publish. Like I have said in the past, it does not matter if it is journal comics or longer format stories, just make sure you keep on drawing and that you do not disappear to obscurity.

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[info]reidsrow
2009-05-01 02:59 pm UTC (link)

While your art has indeed improved, you lost the discipline of a regular schedule. Maybe you should be satisfied with your art and just publish. Like I have said in the past, it does not matter if it is journal comics or longer format stories, just make sure you keep on drawing and that you do not disappear to obscurity.

Just because I'm not showing you my comics doesn't mean I'm not making them. I think it's great for new cartoonists to have some sort of regular posting schedule to encourage them to complete something. But as someone who has drawn 1067 pages of comics in the past 2 1/2 years (1069 by the end of today), I don't think I'm all that worried about completing a page. I've been there, I've done that, and I'm ready to move on. Making journal comics every day for an audience wasn't enjoyable for me, so I stopped. (I still draw one every day, I just don't share them with you. Sorry.) What I wanted to do was work on a longer story that had been building up in my head over the past few years. And that is what I am doing. The next 12 issues of HMM will be chapters from that story, and I'm not interested in compromising the quality of the work to meet any superficial deadlines. The work will come when it comes. I'm clearly dedicated to it. Hell, I drew half of the #26 issue and decided that the art wasn't cutting it, and so I started over. How many other cartoonists would do that?

That said, I've already admitted that dropping off the web posting was a mistake. I still think that posting a page of a longer story every few days is a crummy way to present a comic. But people reading it don't seem to mind, so more power to them. That's why I'm posting some older comics that have already run in print and concentrating on posting interviews and articles about comics and being a cartoonist. But don't have any illusions about this: it's a business decision, pure and simple. True, I love comics, I spend my days dreaming about how to make better comics and get out the stories that are bursting around inside of me. But being back on the web has nothing to do with loving the web. I'm doing it because it makes sense as a cartoonist to have a web presence. I'd rather be drawing my comics than posting on the web, but some jobs have parts that aren't pleasant. You do them because the parts you like are so great, and the crummy parts make those moments possible.

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[info]losttoy
2009-05-05 09:43 pm UTC (link)
First thing. I was crabby when I wrote the above message and failed miserably to say what I wanted to say.

Although, I do know another journal artist that I really really liked that one day decided to stop drawing journal comics to draw a fiction comic. I said that it was great, because afterall, how far can you go in the comic industry with a journal comic if your name is not Kochalka. I was totally supportive until they stopped drawing the fictional comic and started just posting various character sketches until one day they stopped posting all together. Not that they were drawing at home and not posting, just they were too busy reading Stephen King and playing video games. That artist made the mistake of forming a bad habit of not drawing. I tried to be supportive, but my . encouragement was taken as nagging. I hate when this happens. Because it has happened to me. I stopped drawing comics four or so years ago because I started a family and it was very hard for me to make time to draw while taking care of children and trying to make a living to pay the rent. I have had to live vicariously through artists like you. So not only am I big fan, but I feel personally invested (no matter how crazy that is). I do not get to go outside much. I do not go hang out with friends or go to comic book shops. I have the web and my subscriptions.

I cannot wait until I see this story. I love your comics. I know you have a focus on quality and that makes your comics so great to read and me overeager to see them. Thanks for doing what you are doing.

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[info]mister_wolf
2009-05-22 05:17 pm UTC (link)
When I stopped giving away my comics for free online, 60% of the people who had previously given me money to read those same comics on paper stopped giving me money to read them on paper.

This is really, really important information for me. I go back and forth on posting my comics on the web; on the one hand, it is the only way to keep something as massive and (cruelly, unjustly) unpopular as SCB in "print". It also forced me into drawing in a horizontal format, which I really love. On the other hand, I quite agree that the web doesn't work very well for long-form comics, and I feel like the rhythm of once-a-week updates force me to rush. I sometimes think about going offline to do a print-only book. But I suspect that if it was a mistake for you, it would be a mistake for me.

As far as the IP aspect of things goes, I love my CC license. That is all.

Anyway, I haven't kept up with your blog because I am stressed with baby-prep, and you have been making some long-assed entries. But I see now that they are well worth taking the time to read.

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